So I went out in Gent with Angel and Entropy last Wednesday (Cruise was later celebrated as their newest member by the Gent homeless society). Fun stuff! Entropy is a cool guy, really down to earth and with a relaxed sharpness. Reminds me a lot of a Danish friend of mine, a complete natural that just enjoys a beer with mates but always ends up in bed with girls 
It was a lot of fun to hear him talk about the other pickup gurus, most of which he’s met at some point. Puts things into perspective. Even though he was admittedly a little out of shape and we mainly just had some beers and hung around chatting, I could see how Entropy would do well. Why?
For one, the comfort factor. Entropy is a calm guy, not intrusive at all (unlike me at times :-/). Even when in set, he retains a respectful distance. After just a few hours, I felt completely comfortable around him and he even forgave me one of my sporadic upsurges of obnoxiousness. Yes Angel, so did you I dropped in uninvited on a set Angel had opened. Mea culpa guys.
Another thing I saw him do was call girls over. He’d stand there, and call a girl he’d selected over by signaling with his hand, and she would come over. A great dominant way to initiate a conversation! Plus it really shows that you’ve selected her, while still signaling that she’s going to have to prove something. It could backfire but it’s all in the way you do it.
So we didn’t get to talk much about pickup, or meeting girls as I like to call it these days. But I can see there’s many valuable things one can learn from this guy. Hope I get to go out with him again one of these days. If you (reader) ever get the chance – go for it! This is a certifiably cool dude with some badass social skills and some special tricks to top it off. His little secret that I reveal to you here, which is what separates the dudes from the duds when it comes to getting good at meeting women:
Focus and practice
It’s not like you’ve never heard this before, but are you actually focusing on meeting more girls? How many girls did you meet recently? And are you taking your interactions further every time? Have you identified your sticking points and are you putting focus on them?
What I think is the number 1 sticking point with most of the guys in the Belgian lair, is closing. It’s great to talk to hot chicks and all, but even I end up in Jerkoff ally most of the time with these girls, and as such I don’t see my talks with them as much of a success – not that I’m not happy about having done it, but it’s nothing to brag about really. Just another polite, maybe even mildly interesting conversation. As long as you don’t have your tongue down her throat, there just isn’t that much to it. So escalating, showing your intentions, and closing!
Angel will be posting something soon on Entropy, with more information on the essence of his teachings and what you can practically do with it. Watch this space!
A note on phone game
Today, I called the girl who’s number I got yesterday and I have this simple structure to my calls: hello – what’s up – chat a bit until there’s a cool vibe – arrange to meet up (specifics!). I noticed today though, that I was going a bit too far in the bullshitting until the vibe hits thing. I was telling a story and she kept saying ‘yeah’, ‘yeah’ way too early to be interested. I did finish the story, which she told me was useless. That was pretty funny so we’re getting together next week.
In fact, she sent me a message yesterday to confirm that we were meeting up this week. I must have passed some tests there. One of my sticking points is arranging for the Day 2s, which I’m now beginning to gain some speed in (two lunch dates and a party date this week) – this means I’ll be gaining experience in where to take it from there. Will keep you posted!
5 responses so far ↓
Angel // October 1, 2009 at 2:46 am |
hello,
lucky you did NOT ask me to write something, haha.
Ok, I spent 7 days with this guy: 5 in Belgium, 2 in Amsterdam.
First of all, yes: his game is (or was, but I will come back to that later) a bit off as he and his girlfriend broke up after a relationship of a few years (she’s moving to another country).
So he is bummed out about it and feels like shit. That’s why hes travelling through europe now.
Secondly, that guy hates to talk about PU because it is his job and how would you feel if people asked you about your job non-stop ?
He also explained to me that people always want to learn these things for free: but he has spent literally years learning all this stuff and he needs to pay his bills from it as it is his full time job.
This guy is very fun to hang out with, we had a blast without picking up women all the time. He made me realise so much of the bullshit in the game (ps: ‘the game’ is FICTION, not reality)
He quickly became less and less gloom and I got a pretty good insight in the life of a professional PU coach: the marketing he needs to do, the 100’s of mails he has to answer daily, his products he’s offering and selling, guys calling him for private coaching, his future projects, his blog, …
That takes up a LOT of time: there went my thought that becoming a PU coach was easy money
Anyway, thats enough for a character sketch.
So, during the weekend we hit Amsterdam and all of you who ever went there, will agree that the quality of the women is fantastic. The fire in his eyes came back quickly: it is where I realised this guy was for real.
He met a stunning Ozzie girl for which he did not do anything, honest to god. She was inmediately hooked.
He took her to our hotel room and the next day we started talking about how he does it. He explained the principles of passive and active attraction and how his passive attraction is through the roof.
He also totally destroyed my ‘game’: although I always thought I was kinda good with women, he quickly pointed out all the flaws…
He explained to me how my ex girlfriend, who I still sleep with but where I cant ever be with for personal reasons, is holding me back completely. He said that most guys have completely different sticky points then they themselves think and I was one of them.
You have the same issue Phoenix: lets take this post as an example. You write about having troubles with day2’s. Well man, I hate to tell you but your main sticky point is being obnoxious with other men when you go out and meet women.
You know it, you realize it, but yet somehow, you choose to focus on other points.
I know you have the opinion that women will always choose the strongest man and that it is all fair game in the end (even if you roll over an another guy). And although I agree it is the thinking of a champion, it will often result in losing a lot of friendships in your life.
Get your passive attraction up (having cool friends and being a normal social man) and then work on the active attraction (dates).
If you see your friends talking to women, just come up to us and say hi, we will introduce you with pleasure and if the girl choses you, it will all be cool. Learn to temper that raging fire inside you.
Work only through Entropy’s principle of Conscious Practise:
1. Identify your weaknesses (honestly)
2. Ask others your weaknesses and see if they match yours.
3. Only work on removing those weaknesses, without going on auto pilot. Really do it consciously. Accept them and try to change them. Use mentors or friends if needed.
Once they are all gone: start again at point one and so on.
Very good advise, not only with women but in almost every area of your life !!
I had 2 days of headache after being with this guy. I finally gathered enough courage to end my 9 years of-and-on relationship and ended also with another girl I was sleeping with very occasionally.
Both women actually had a lot of respect and were not angry to my great surprise. I feel like shit now, but I know it is actually a good thing (or it will be).
Good luck to you too Phoenix, seeya soon I hope !
Angel
Angel // October 1, 2009 at 2:59 am |
och yes,
I forgot: you are completely right about the Belgian lair: in fact it is THE main problem in the lairs anywhere in Europe I think.
That’s what pushes most guys into this in the first place. Entropy even urged me to leave the community by the way (he said I seek validation from it and he’s right somewhere although I do want to help others).
Cruise has done it and you too by focusing on this blog. Maybe I should start one too
And if most of your problem areas in your life are solved, escalation and closing is a non issue. I witnessed that over and over in the weekend.
Angel
phoenixriver // October 1, 2009 at 7:35 am |
Hey Angel,
This is great stuff.
First off, thanks for shedding more light on Entropy and giving us the bigger picture. Very interesting to see how you spent time with him and how that affected you – I can feel you’re in a different place, so let’s consolidate that!
Thank you for sharing so honestly what you learned and what you went through; this kind of thing is why I started this blog in the first place. I think it’s very brave that you faced what’s holding you back and that you’re taking steps to overcome them. Inspiring! I’m getting all emotional here…
About your comment on me: there is no need to say sorry, or say that it’s a good thing that you didn’t write something. I didn’t start this blog for everyone to tell me how great I am and so I could pat myself on the shoulder (not all the time at least :-p). This is a place for feedback and authentic communication. A place where we can be honest with each other so we can grow in the areas that matter.
In growing, we often don’t see the things that could make the most difference – or we don’t want to see them. That’s where friends come in: the people that dare to be honest without leaving you behind.
Like you say, I have a tendency to obnoxiousness. My initial reaction is to say it’s isolated events, that I just need to watch my behaviour. But when I let it sink in, I realise it’s all about certain convictions I have. About the world, about girls, about who I was and want to be.
The frustrations I used to have for feeling like a loser with girls and not understanding why, I’ve polarised into being somewhat of a bully. Where I used to get picked on, I pick. Where I used to be the victim, I’m the assailant. In going diametrical, I think I escape what I hate to look at about myself. What I tend to see as weakness, passiveness, neediness – is also compassion, inner peace, and the will to give love.
And yet, there is no real escape in this approach because I’m not transcending these themes – I’m merely placing myself on the other end of the stick. You know the saying: if you pick up one end of the stick…
Again, thanks for this insight. Not just you Angel, I know there have been many others that have tried in vain to signal this to me. So please keep on giving me feedback – I will listen, in the end.
Even though I’m not sure how to move forward with this, I’m confident something will come up. See you all soon!
Angel // October 1, 2009 at 2:17 pm |
hey Phoenix,
thanks for your kind words: were having a real ‘BRO-mance’ here
But seriously, your right: I am in another place now and thats good.
I hope that my words in writing (and in real life) will sink in enough for you to find a balance in your behaviour.
We should hang out soon again and have a chat about it while everything is still fresh in my mind.
And your also right about this:
“That’s where friends come in: the people that dare to be honest without leaving you behind”
I’m not going anywhere, but I am highly curious where this yourney ends… or does it never end ?
Angel
Cruise // October 6, 2009 at 8:19 am |
It’s interesting how everybody notices and values different things in one person, mostly the things that link us to that person.
I guess P.R. for instance sees a reflexion of himself in Entropy when he’s calling girls out.
Angel on the contrary likes Entropy especially when he talks about his last and lost relationship, his tiredness with the game (just like Bad Boy always keeps repeating that it’s just his job and that he is sooooo fed up with it).
I did not have the impression that Entropy was fed up with The Game. He was maybe a little bit ired, which is very normal, but please let us not talk about the guy as if the giant was only a broken hearted recovering dwarf. On the contrary, he showed a lot of flexibility and eagreness to stand up again, to attack, to be open for discussion, etc.
Sometimes it’s good to go in overdrive. He’s pushing it for sure, but so do weight lifter champions. Angel told me by the way how he weightlifts. Very intens! Very committed. That says it all right?
Another thing. You guys both say you don’t know how it will move forwards.
Is this marketing bulshitt to impress of are you guys serious?
Come on! We have to know our objectives. See them cristal clear. Can be in the embodyment of a person, a movie scene, a book, a piece of art, the shape of a woman, etc.
If you really want to do the test, buy some magazines a make a collage with the images that inspire you. Don’t choose the pictures that might impress others. Be honest with yourself and take the time figuring out what kind of man you want to be.
A tip: do not focus on the girl or the woman, but focuss on your lifestyle. A woman does not really want to be a man’s number one objeective right?
The type of man I admire is now to see in the cinema:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-wMe9vxkWI
He’s direct and honest at the same time.
He does not has to dissapoint his friends or play enemy games.
Woman ask him for his company because they know he’s worth it.
When a woman asked me last week in Amsterdam if I wanted to make love with her after only two hours, I was proud and priviliged to be fully accepted for the man I am.